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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://runwithpatience.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/prevalence-of-domestic-abuse/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely you may reproduce these stats elsewhere.  Please just credit the US Department of Justice.</description>
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		<title>By: blaueteufelin</title>
		<link>http://runwithpatience.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/prevalence-of-domestic-abuse/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>blaueteufelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this.  Can I get your permission to reproduce these stats elsewhere?  With proper credit, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this.  Can I get your permission to reproduce these stats elsewhere?  With proper credit, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: and while we are speaking of abuse&#8230;. &#171; thatmom</title>
		<link>http://runwithpatience.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/prevalence-of-domestic-abuse/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>and while we are speaking of abuse&#8230;. &#171; thatmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 26, 2008 at 11:10 pm &#183; Filed under Uncategorized   Sandy is addressing the topics of physical abuse and emotional abuse on her blog this week. Be sure to check it out and compare some of her comments [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 26, 2008 at 11:10 pm &#183; Filed under Uncategorized   Sandy is addressing the topics of physical abuse and emotional abuse on her blog this week. Be sure to check it out and compare some of her comments [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thatmom</title>
		<link>http://runwithpatience.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/prevalence-of-domestic-abuse/#comment-55</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy, great link.  I have bookmarked it for future reference.

I would be verfy slow to counsel someone to pursue divorce as well.  I also believe that it is a mistake to lump divorce and remarriage together, as I believe the Bible shows them to be two different problems for believers.  We need to discuss that sometime!

I have a big interest in pursuing counseling at some point.  My undergrad degree is in human relations, which was psychology, sociology, and anthropology.  I have checked into various schools to pursue a masters in counseling but most of them give you only a certain amount of time to finish and since my elderly mom lives with us, I am not sure what the future is bringing for her and how much care she will need down the road....playing it by ear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy, great link.  I have bookmarked it for future reference.</p>
<p>I would be verfy slow to counsel someone to pursue divorce as well.  I also believe that it is a mistake to lump divorce and remarriage together, as I believe the Bible shows them to be two different problems for believers.  We need to discuss that sometime!</p>
<p>I have a big interest in pursuing counseling at some point.  My undergrad degree is in human relations, which was psychology, sociology, and anthropology.  I have checked into various schools to pursue a masters in counseling but most of them give you only a certain amount of time to finish and since my elderly mom lives with us, I am not sure what the future is bringing for her and how much care she will need down the road&#8230;.playing it by ear!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://runwithpatience.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/prevalence-of-domestic-abuse/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,
I&#039;m looking forward to hearing about the post WW2 family! I agree that the line in conservative churches is to never leave.  I beg to differ with that line and believe that beatings are Biblical grounds for leaving.  One Scripture that many non Jewish believers don&#039;t understand is in Ex. 21 where it discusses marital rights for women.  Most Jewish scholars have always understood that to mean that women have certain rights within marriage including the right to not be abused.  Here is a paper from Baylor University that explains some of this: http://www.tabs-online.com/Tyndale/Staff/Instone-Brewer/index.htm

I hold a strict view of divorce, personally, and do not counsel for divorce in most cases.  I even believe that adultery does not necessarily mean divorce.  I believe in forgiveness and working out a relationship through the Holy Spirit if at all possible.  But it does not glorify God for a woman to be beaten time and time again.  Dobson, Cloud &amp; Townsend, etc. have all made good Biblical cases for leaving a man who is abusive.

Did I understand correctly that you are working towards becoming a counselor now that your children are getting older?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,<br />
I&#8217;m looking forward to hearing about the post WW2 family! I agree that the line in conservative churches is to never leave.  I beg to differ with that line and believe that beatings are Biblical grounds for leaving.  One Scripture that many non Jewish believers don&#8217;t understand is in Ex. 21 where it discusses marital rights for women.  Most Jewish scholars have always understood that to mean that women have certain rights within marriage including the right to not be abused.  Here is a paper from Baylor University that explains some of this: <a href="http://www.tabs-online.com/Tyndale/Staff/Instone-Brewer/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tabs-online.com/Tyndale/Staff/Instone-Brewer/index.htm</a></p>
<p>I hold a strict view of divorce, personally, and do not counsel for divorce in most cases.  I even believe that adultery does not necessarily mean divorce.  I believe in forgiveness and working out a relationship through the Holy Spirit if at all possible.  But it does not glorify God for a woman to be beaten time and time again.  Dobson, Cloud &amp; Townsend, etc. have all made good Biblical cases for leaving a man who is abusive.</p>
<p>Did I understand correctly that you are working towards becoming a counselor now that your children are getting older?</p>
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		<title>By: thatmom</title>
		<link>http://runwithpatience.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/prevalence-of-domestic-abuse/#comment-52</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy, the line in conservative churches is to never leave, which I know you know.  And who knows what each marriage partner brings to their union that establishes the patterns they use for dealing with problems?  I have known so many people who just assume that marriage relationships are supposed to look like what their parents&#039; relationship did, no matter how &#039;dysfunctional&quot; it was.  Somehow, if it was the norm in the 40&#039;s or 50&#039;s, it but be &quot;conservative and right.&quot;  The truth is, in retrospect, that was a very, very dysfunctional time for marriage and the family in many ways.   I have a whole about the post WW2 family I will tell you about some time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy, the line in conservative churches is to never leave, which I know you know.  And who knows what each marriage partner brings to their union that establishes the patterns they use for dealing with problems?  I have known so many people who just assume that marriage relationships are supposed to look like what their parents&#8217; relationship did, no matter how &#8216;dysfunctional&#8221; it was.  Somehow, if it was the norm in the 40&#8217;s or 50&#8217;s, it but be &#8220;conservative and right.&#8221;  The truth is, in retrospect, that was a very, very dysfunctional time for marriage and the family in many ways.   I have a whole about the post WW2 family I will tell you about some time!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,
I&#039;ve not seen that movie but will look diligently for it now.  I&#039;m praying that I might be able to develop a clear Biblical response for those who are abused, those who are abusing, and those who are watching it happen.  Even clergy are at a loss to know.  

I&#039;ve recently been going around to area churches, meeting the pastors and letting them know how I can help them and their church members as a counselor.  One of the issues the pastors always seem to bring up is the issue of how I counsel when women come to me about abuse.  These are conerned men who are searching for the rght way in which to respond.  I can tell that a few of them are haunted by their choices.  Most of them have confessed that they have simply told the wife to leave and then felt guilty about it later.  What a shame that is.  To feel guilty over maybe saving someone&#039;s life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,<br />
I&#8217;ve not seen that movie but will look diligently for it now.  I&#8217;m praying that I might be able to develop a clear Biblical response for those who are abused, those who are abusing, and those who are watching it happen.  Even clergy are at a loss to know.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recently been going around to area churches, meeting the pastors and letting them know how I can help them and their church members as a counselor.  One of the issues the pastors always seem to bring up is the issue of how I counsel when women come to me about abuse.  These are conerned men who are searching for the rght way in which to respond.  I can tell that a few of them are haunted by their choices.  Most of them have confessed that they have simply told the wife to leave and then felt guilty about it later.  What a shame that is.  To feel guilty over maybe saving someone&#8217;s life.</p>
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		<title>By: thatmom</title>
		<link>http://runwithpatience.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/prevalence-of-domestic-abuse/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>thatmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy, thank you for posting these.  They are really sobering and convicting.

When I was growing up, there was a lady who lived next door to us who frequently had bruises, black eyes, and a swollen lip.  Being a small child, my mom and dad didn&#039;t say much of what was going on but I saw the guy come home drunk and I heard the yelling.  It was terrifying and I was always so thankful that they had no children.  He died in his mid-20&#039;s and it was almost a relief to me.

Have you seen the movie The Prize Winner of Defiance Ohio?  It is the true story of an abusive father and the wife who remained with him.  It takes place in the 50&#039;s and I know you would really appreciate the story in that it accurately shows what so many of the women of that day went through at the hands of an abuser and how ill equipped everyone was to deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy, thank you for posting these.  They are really sobering and convicting.</p>
<p>When I was growing up, there was a lady who lived next door to us who frequently had bruises, black eyes, and a swollen lip.  Being a small child, my mom and dad didn&#8217;t say much of what was going on but I saw the guy come home drunk and I heard the yelling.  It was terrifying and I was always so thankful that they had no children.  He died in his mid-20&#8217;s and it was almost a relief to me.</p>
<p>Have you seen the movie The Prize Winner of Defiance Ohio?  It is the true story of an abusive father and the wife who remained with him.  It takes place in the 50&#8217;s and I know you would really appreciate the story in that it accurately shows what so many of the women of that day went through at the hands of an abuser and how ill equipped everyone was to deal with it.</p>
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